power buffer

[mnfastboat]

Ok guys, I need to, more like want to, buy a power buffer
tell ne what to buy and what to stay away from

also, is this freanzy stuff Ok to use alone to bring back some shine??
i have slight fading in the blue area around the front, but when waxed it looks good for a short time.
should I be getting some thing else to complement the freanzy such as what another member used the aqua buff
looking at doing something this weekend if I can get it out of storage.

[Cory]

Use a compound first to get rid of the oxidation and then wax with Frenzy. Miliwakie makes the best buffer.

[mnfastboat]

Cory, would you suggest the aqua buff??
Need to know how much to get
28 foot boat.
8.5 beam cat

Like the way your pics turned out.
If it shines that much as a mirror reflection in your pic, I can only immagine what the real look is like :)

[mnfastboat]

was thinking about this one
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?pid=00919023000&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL

or
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=200211724

or
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=200033124

[JimmyBaja]

I'm partial to Sears but then I have insider knowledge. If you use Aqua Buff they recommend 2,500 rpms. To Cory's note, Milwaukee is usually the buffer of choice.

JimmyBaja

[boat4life]

I have a milwakee 11 amp variable speed buffer it's great but the mikita is lighter.Dewalt also has a nice buffer.

[eddie]

I'm partial to Sears but then I have insider knowledge. If you use Aqua Buff they recommend 2,500 rpms. To Cory's note, Milwaukee is usually the buffer of choice.

JimmyBaja

Jimmy, can you get us a group discount ? [smilie=126.gif]

[boat4life]

Eddie just bought my new milwakee Monday for just under 200$$$

[Cory]

Cory, would you suggest the aqua buff??
Need to know how much to get
28 foot boat.
8.5 beam cat

Like the way your pics turned out.
If it shines that much as a mirror reflection in your pic, I can only immagine what the real look is like :)

I bought 16oz of each (1000 and 2000) my boat is 27' and I might have used 4-5oz. It really goes a long way. I started with the 1000 and then 2000 at first. The 1000 is coarser and seemed to break down enough to the point where I found the 2000 to be a waste of time. If your boat is not oxidized too bad then just go straight to the 2000. The Aqua-Buff is incredible for oxidation, however, nothing tops 3M Heavy Duty Rubbing Compound for erasing scratches. The Frenzy wax provides an incredible shine. Only time will tell how long it really lasts. I would definitely recommend Aqua-Buff for gelcoat, however, I think the 3M Heavy Duty Compound followed by Finesse-It is much easier to use. I had problems with a lot of residue from the 2000 and I think I was just getting it too wet.

[Caincando1]

We use a variable speed Milwaukee. The speed can be controled with with your thumb on the roller switch. Works great, but it is heavy.

[Seize n Ticket]

I use a cheapy buffer from Wal-Mart that way I can't damage the gelcoat. I could see myself burning right through with a real beffer. I figuer this one is as good as doing it by hand only faster. [smilie=050.gif]

[FunHome]

When one of the big Graphics Guys on the other board told everyone about Aqua Buff he also recomended the Makita high speed polisher, I guess for the Aqua Buff to work, you have to spin the buffer over 2500rpm!! The ones I found at my local Sears and such didn't spin that fast. So I bought a Makita off ebay and it came with extra pads and a case!!! It was brand new and I got it in two days!! I think it was just under or right at $200.00 I'll check e-bay in a little while!!

[Bajapit]

Stay away form Black and Decker. I have a sears industrial.
Meguiars recomends a dual action for auto paint. absolutely no swirlls.
but I am not convenced that DA is the way to go on Gel Coat.
PIT [smilie=twocents.gif]

[cfaller]

hugh, i would recommend the milwaukee or the dewalt. the dewalt retails for approx $200.00. ebay may have some good deals to look for. i prefer the dewalt, because it has a variable dial to control the rpm's up to 3,000.....which is very handy.

be sure you have good lighting before attempting this. florescent lights will allow you to pick even the best paint jobs apart, but they can also help you see how effective your buffing is! depending upon the oxidation, acid-rain damage, number of fine line scratches, i would start off on a very small area of the colored part of the deck using the highspeed buffer and 3M fine cut at approx 2000-2200rpm's. let it dry, then wipe it off. go back over the same area using a orbital buffer with a glaze or swirl remover. if that doesn't take out the 80% of the oxidation or fine scratches, try the 3m medium cut at approx. 1500rpm's with the high-speed buffer, then go over it again with the orbital using the 3m fine cut. buff all of the color first, then go back an hit the white areas. the white areas, unless heavily oxidized or chalked, can usually be buffed with a fine cut.

just be sure to start off with the fine and work your way up to the heavier cuts, to determine the effectiveness. once you establish the proper cut, then decrease your way down to fine or ultra fine. the last thing you want to do is begin buffing with too heavy of a cut and put some deep swirls in the paint or gel coat.

good luck. [smilie=042.gif]

chad

[wowchad]

I have a package of buffing pads with a quick change backing plate on sale here in the classifieds.

I would spend the money and get a buffer with the dial on the handle. Look for the lighter one, my Milwaukee is kinda heavy, but very nice.

[MnHowardCat]

hugh, Give me a ring I have a nice variable snap-on buffer you can borrow if you want I'LL even show you a few tips on how to use but thats a lot of boat to buff out and then to wax. I use a fome pad and stay away from the corners and keep it flat and moving are some of the key's [smilie=042.gif]

[Frenzy]

Ok guys, I need to, more like want to, buy a power buffer
tell ne what to buy and what to stay away from

also, is this freanzy stuff Ok to use alone to bring back some shine??
i have slight fading in the blue area around the front, but when waxed it looks good for a short time.
should I be getting some thing else to complement the freanzy such as what another member used the aqua buff
looking at doing something this weekend if I can get it out of storage.

I would try Waxing Frenzy! on the faded areas. "Slight" can mean different degrees to different people. If it is slightly faded, you may even be able to bring it back with Frenzy by hand. The thing about not lasting very long is that once the surface has "suffered" some damage, you have to re-apply every few weeks until you have "fed" the surface enough. After that, you should be able to maintain as usual.

Waxing Frenzy! can be buffed, as well, but try by hand and save yourself some work (and money) if at all possible. Afterall, you bought your boat for "pleasure"!!

[Frenzy]

Take MnHowardCat up on his offer!! Unless you have a detailing business or use a buffer A LOT, borrow when you can. Especially if he is willing to show you some tips. It's very easy to burn through the gel, vinyl, and rubrail if you don't have th experience.

[mnfastboat]

I would try Waxing Frenzy! on the faded areas. "Slight" can mean different degrees to different people. If it is slightly faded, you may even be able to bring it back with Frenzy by hand. The thing about not lasting very long is that once the surface has "suffered" some damage, you have to re-apply every few weeks until you have "fed" the surface enough. After that, you should be able to maintain as usual.

Waxing Frenzy! can be buffed, as well, but try by hand and save yourself some work (and money) if at all possible. Afterall, you bought your boat for "pleasure"!!

Thank for the info
I will try it with just the wax, since I have just ordered the 'boat' load from you :)

If that does not seem to do it, I will take MNHowardCat up on his offer. :)
Last season I had it buffed, not by a professional, but an experienced boater that does take care of his owns boats well and it seemed OK But I feel it could have been better. We always want things better :)

Thanks again

[Frenzy]

NICE BOAT! [smilie=071.gif]

Let me know if I can help....as much as possible from Virginia Beach.

[Griff]

mnf, stop by on your next trip down to Lincoln--if there is one. I've got a variable speed(2-6k) Makita buffer you can try out.

[catmando]

I've seen recommendations for the DeWalt 7424 orbital.

[Frenzy]

Before you go the compound route...try buffing Frenzy. We've been able to avoid compounding boats that we thought had to be compounded using Waxing Frenzy and a high speed buffer (around 1200 rpm's). It sounds like you don't have a heavy oxidation problem. You can also try buffing the boat with Frenzy Shark Tower. It works similarly to the 3M restorer (one step).

Aqua Buff is excellent. We have also just tried Aqua Blue, which me may carry. It's less expensive and cuts better than Aqua Buff.

If you are not going to use a buffer often, go the cheapest route. I have one that I paid $25 (at a Pawn shop) for and 2 that I paid $300 for. But, I do it professionally.

As always, feel free to call if we can be of further assistance. We try to make it as easy as possible on you guys.

[jeepman]

hugh, i would recommend the milwaukee or the dewalt. the dewalt retails for approx $200.00. ebay may have some good deals to look for. i prefer the dewalt, because it has a variable dial to control the rpm's up to 3,000.....which is very handy.

be sure you have good lighting before attempting this. florescent lights will allow you to pick even the best paint jobs apart, but they can also help you see how effective your buffing is! depending upon the oxidation, acid-rain damage, number of fine line scratches, i would start off on a very small area of the colored part of the deck using the highspeed buffer and 3M fine cut at approx 2000-2200rpm's. let it dry, then wipe it off. go back over the same area using a orbital buffer with a glaze or swirl remover. if that doesn't take out the 80% of the oxidation or fine scratches, try the 3m medium cut at approx. 1500rpm's with the high-speed buffer, then go over it again with the orbital using the 3m fine cut. buff all of the color first, then go back an hit the white areas. the white areas, unless heavily oxidized or chalked, can usually be buffed with a fine cut.

just be sure to start off with the fine and work your way up to the heavier cuts, to determine the effectiveness. once you establish the proper cut, then decrease your way down to fine or ultra fine. the last thing you want to do is begin buffing with too heavy of a cut and put some deep swirls in the paint or gel coat.

good luck. [smilie=042.gif]

chad


I don't agree with everything stated above. First off...florescent lights mask problems more than any other light. You can have something looking great under florescent, and then power on the halogen and see the real surface, and halogens aren't the best either, but they are easily had.

Also for a buffer I would recommend the Porter Cable. I wasn't a big fan of this unit when it first came out, and preferred the rotary. However, I've given this thing some more buff time, and have really come to enjoy it. I haven't tried it out on the boat yet, but hoping to this weekend.

for all sorts of great detail info check here...

www.autopia.org.

[Frenzy]

Just be careful on autopia...those guys tend to make detailing a lot harder than it has to be. Afterall, they are mostly detailers and that's how they make their living.

Keep it simple. You'll enjoy your boat much more!

[HHARRIS]

makita!! [smilie=050.gif]

[SeaRay31SS]

Either way I would like to offer a contest. I will supply the 43 Black Thunder, The Frenzy, and the beer and you guys bring your favorite buffer and lets see which buffer does the best job.

Come on boys step up.

[Frenzy]

[smilie=whip]

[Jst4Cyn aka Mrs JMS]

Either way I would like to offer a contest. I will supply the 43 Black Thunder, The Frenzy, and the beer and you guys bring your favorite buffer and lets see which buffer does the best job.

Come on boys step up.

I'll apply the wax - and I'll even do it in the same fashion as in the movie "Car Wash" - if I can have a ride in it! :oops:

[JMS]

[smilie=whip] You offer to wax someone elses BT, but you never help me wax the Baja or the Sea Ray [smilie=whip] Ya, I know buy a BT and you'll wax it all I want. [smilie=071.gif]

[Frenzy]

[smilie=trink39] I'm sure the offers will be swarming in now!! LOL

[Jst4Cyn aka Mrs JMS]

[smilie=whip] Ya, I know buy a BT and you'll wax it all I want. [smilie=071.gif]

BINGO! [smilie=061.gif] [smilie=061.gif]

[SeaRay31SS]

JMS wrote:
Ya, I know buy a BT and you'll wax it all I want.


BINGO!
_________________
Every - Has a +


How am I supposewd to answer that? [smilie=061.gif]

I know I know OK how about 9:00 AM SAturday Morning. As far as the ride anytime you want.

JMS I have a beer for you while she is waxing.

[Jst4Cyn aka Mrs JMS]

JMS wrote:
Ya, I know buy a BT and you'll wax it all I want.


BINGO!
_________________
Every - Has a +


How am I supposewd to answer that? [smilie=061.gif]

I know I know OK how about 9:00 AM SAturday Morning. As far as the ride anytime you want.

JMS I have a beer for you while she is waxing.

Can it wait until Saturday (28th)? We aren't coming down this weekend. [smilie=1381.gif]

Wait.....where is the boat?

BTW, what's the status on the swimming pool? [smilie=265.gif]

[SeaRay31SS]

1 mm of the Big Niangua. Anthony's Cove enter the cove and mine and Adam's 46 BT are on the lifts.

[Jst4Cyn aka Mrs JMS]

1 mm of the Big Niangua. Anthony's Cove enter the cove and mine and Adam's 46 BT are on the lifts.


Ok, I know where Adam is..........I think Michelle, MrsSos & I should get out there & demonstrate the "proper" application of frenzy together, while you guys kick back & have a few [smilie=1062.gif]

Sounds like a "slick" idea to me! [smilie=dancing.gif]

[JMS]

The guys sucking back brews and chicks in Bikinis waxing boats, I'm in. [smilie=657.gif] [smilie=657.gif]

[SeaRay31SS]

I will even put Jen31SS (MIchelle's Sis) to work. She made the mistake of saying if I put on the Frenzy she would wipe it off. Boy was that a mistake. An hour of rubbing off the wax, and she wasn't any fun for me.

[xsnrg]

Sooooo..... [smilie=265.gif]

Which buffer did you get, and how happy are you with it?

Looking to maybe have the wifee pick one up for me.

[Frenzy]

Keep it simple. If you only have slight oxidation on the blue (you probably have it on the rest of the boat, just not as noticeable), you can buff out with a high speed buffer using our Shark Tower. You won't have to wax over it. I would, however, recommend waxing again in a few weeks just to be sure you feed the finish and prevent the oxidation from returning.

You can judge how often it needs to be waxed. Once you get the oxidation out of there, you really shouldn't have to buff it out (or hand wax) more than 4 times a year. Of course, this depends on where the boat is kept and under what conditions it is used.

As for buffers, I prefer Milwaukee. I also have a DeWalt (which is a little lighter). If you are not going to use it often, try a pawn shop. I have actually gotten some good deals from some locally....an idea that ocurred to me when my detailers kept "blowing up" buffers. Amazing...I can use one for years with no problems. Guess that's the difference in owning and using somebody else's equipment! :roll:
Keep the buffer at about 1200 rpm's and keep it moving.

[kmrichards]

I'll second the opinions of everyone that recommended Milwaukee and DeWalt. The shops I have worked in, it was split right down the middle as to what guys preferred. I'm a DeWalt guy myself :mrgreen: I wouldn't recommend skimping on your buffer unless you want to spend twice the time for half the results. As far as the details on the process, chad's got it dialed, 'nuff said!

Kevin

[xsnrg]

I checked on Dewalt's website, and could not find the 7424. Does anyone know, is this a discontinued product?

I did find these:
http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail_listing.asp?categoryID=94

Any experience with any of these? The DW849 looks nice, with plenty of variable range.

[cabin fever]

I've got a milwaukee. Heavy, but I love it.

[smilie=071.gif] Between that and my 12ounce curls, my arms are gonna be in good shape.

[Nauti Intentions]

Maguires makes a nice three step wax system for oxidation. First is the oxidation remover, then a color restorer and then a polish. Friend had an old boat that was really faded/oxidized, looked almost white when it was red and blue. After using the oxidation remover I did not think it could get any better, next two steps only made it better. We did the first step, rode the boat (in salt water) for about a month and it looked the same. Then decided to do the next two steps to see what would happen.

Used a random orbital buffer on one side and a standard buffer on the other. The standard buffer actually left swirl marks.