Poll, Gas Prices At LOTO Over Memorial Day Weekend

[DJ Big O]

So lets see how bad everyone thinks regular unleaded is gonna be on the lake???? Go ahead and make your best EXACT guess below...
I am goona let the poll go till the 22nd, maybe we can get the mods to put something up for the closest guess...[smilie=crazy]

[Cain8768]

4.19 for 87 octane

[Hell Ya!]

Man that terrible ole E-85 with 105 Octane for $2.50 is looking good. I gotta get my new motors done...[smilie=crazy]

[bsloop]

Has anyone looked into what it would take for a tanker truck to make a fuel delivery? I have a local farm co-op that makes fuel delivery with a 500 gal minimum. I think a cruiser buddy and some of his associates may try to get together and meet at a ramp to fill at Perry. Cost is around .05 over street pump. Probably takes 3 boats to make a minimum.

The marina's look like they are maintaining their standard margin over street price. We are just more price concious as it keeps going up.

Marina prices are all over depending on their location and margin.
My guess $4.30 - $4.50

[Bajapit]

I heard this morning $200.00 a barrel $7.50 a gal by next year.
You know:.. how about 1 bushel of wheat for 2 barrels of oil. Man can survive without Oil.[smilie=106.gif] , but how long will he last without Boating I mean Food...

[bustag]

Man that terrible ole E-85 with 105 Octane for $2.50 is looking good. I gotta get my new motors done...[smilie=crazy]


Where do you get that Jeff and can I run it??

[Hell Ya!]

Where do you get that Jeff and can I run it??

It is starting to show up a more stations. I saw it at a station in Columbia the other day by 65 and I 70. It looked pretty good on the sign for $2.50 next to the other fuel.

No it won't work right with out modifying the carbs. Kinser is playing with it and E-100 too. The carb motors are doing pretty good, but the EFI is more of a challenge. It will be a while yet before you would want to make the change. But I say it will be the answer to some of the fuel problems. They sure sound neat, alot better than that stinky ole gasoline. More of a bark when you crack the throttle...

Jeff

[bustag]

It is starting to show up a more stations. I saw it at a station in Columbia the other day by 65 and I 70. It looked pretty good on the sign for $2.50 next to the other fuel.

No it won't work right with out modifying the carbs. Kinser is playing with it and E-100 too. The carb motors are doing pretty good, but the EFI is more of a challenge. It will be a while yet before you would want to make the change. But I say it will be the answer to some of the fuel problems. They sure sound neat, alot better than that stinky ole gasoline. More of a bark when you crack the throttle...

Jeff

I like it! Let me know when you want the Stinger carbs ;)

[Bajapit]

It will be higher than $4.00 on the LOTO... by than..
Ill bet some places have 4.75 or better.










Still be a 6 to 7 foot chop all weekend.

[JMS]

It is starting to show up a more stations. I saw it at a station in Columbia the other day by 65 and I 70. It looked pretty good on the sign for $2.50 next to the other fuel.

No it won't work right with out modifying the carbs. Kinser is playing with it and E-100 too. The carb motors are doing pretty good, but the EFI is more of a challenge. It will be a while yet before you would want to make the change. But I say it will be the answer to some of the fuel problems. They sure sound neat, alot better than that stinky ole gasoline. More of a bark when you crack the throttle...

Jeff

One of my techs has been running E85 in his flex fuel Taurus. His MPG drops by 1/3 on the E85. He says thst cost wise it is coming out as almost a wash.

[Hell Ya!]

One of my techs has been running E85 in his flex fuel Taurus. His MPG drops by 1/3 on the E85. He says thst cost wise it is coming out as almost a wash.

There is a majic word in your post, I will let you find it. Most of our testing shows a 2 or 3 mpg drop. That is correct. But don't expect a vehicle of any kind designed for 87 octane to optimise and be efficent on fuel of 105 octane. It will take other mods than can be obtained by a flex fuel vehicle to pull competitive fuel efficiency. Especially a phard that has never been known for great fuel economy.

Believe it or knot I was close to some testing being done in 1979 with what we then called corn alcohol (ethanol) We had a 1975 3/4 chevy 4x4 pickup with a 454 and a modified 600 Holley getting very close to 20 mpg hiway. This truck got 8 mpg on gasoline before the mods.

JMO

Jeff

[DJ Big O]

E-85 dose not release as much energy when burned, but it does have a higher octane level so it requires more of it, but because of the higher octane level and more advance in your timeing you can safely run higher compression ratios and it is safer for boosted apllications. But again the tuning is way different than with gas you air fuel ratios are different and E-85 will also eat up any stadered rubber hoses and o-rings, you have to use special coated rubber with it.
I get to do a lot of neet work with alternative fuel sources here in town, mostly bio-diesel conversions and such.

You can find a lot of usefull info about E-85 on http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php and
http://www.drivingethanol.org/

[mbrott]

The biggest problem with E85 is the large drop in fuel economy. I got a new Nissan Armada and based on the info I received it wasn't worth the change because the consumption goes up by so much.

MBrott

[Hell Ya!]

LMFAO,, I bring this up about once a year just for a laugh. When the time is right. I will have a boat on E-85 or E-100. Until then I am only talking and can not prove anything. But if in the future if you ever get "BEHIND" a boat that smells like popcorn instead of stinking gasoline, Be happy with your position, you will not be able to change it... LOL


Love Hell Ya!

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[JMS]

There is a majic word in your post, I will let you find it. Most of our testing shows a 2 or 3 mpg drop. That is correct. But don't expect a vehicle of any kind designed for 87 octane to optimise and be efficent on fuel of 105 octane. It will take other mods than can be obtained by a flex fuel vehicle to pull competitive fuel efficiency. Especially a phard that has never been known for great fuel economy.

Believe it or knot I was close to some testing being done in 1979 with what we then called corn alcohol (ethanol) We had a 1975 3/4 chevy 4x4 pickup with a 454 and a modified 600 Holley getting very close to 20 mpg hiway. This truck got 8 mpg on gasoline before the mods.

JMO

Jeff

I know Jeff that the MPG gap can be narrowed but, with the lack of stations carrying E85 (at least at this point in time) you need the FLEXability to change from one fuel to the other.

[Hell Ya!]

One more thing.... If it is a wash... and the $$ per mile is the same, this means it cost you NO more. Where do you choose to send your money??


LOL

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[Hell Ya!]

I know Jeff that the MPG gap can be narrowed but, with the lack of stations carrying E85 (at least at this point in time) you need the FLEXability to change from one fuel to the other.


I know John, and I know you do too. You are correct. But the sooner we start buying less Gasoline and more of OUR OWN FUEL, the sooner the fuel prices will stablize or lower.

I just find it hard to believe we can sit and rag about the fuel prices but we choose not to change it..

JMO..

Jeff

[bustag]

I know John, and I know you do too. You are correct. But the sooner we start buying less Gasoline and more of OUR OWN FUEL, the sooner the fuel prices will stablize or lower.

I just find it hard to believe we can sit and rag about the fuel prices but we choose not to change it..

JMO..

Jeff


It's so sad to say Jeff but what you say is true. America has a love affair with the internal combustion engine and I dont know if it will ever change. The freeways are packed every day, every gas station you go past the pump islands are full and it's sickening. I have taken several steps to cut back my consumption of gas and fuel ( boating aside) and untill people do just that then tell these oil company pricks to drink and eat their product we're all gonna pay out the ass. The Middle East would overflow with oil and they can all drown in it as far as I'm concerned.

I would much rather make ASH a Millionare with his corn crop, that way he can buy Gina more thongs. :mrgreen:

[FieldHouseDrinker]

It will definitely be above $4. Heck, it was $3.98 last weekend.

[Hell Ya!]

I would much rather make ASH a Millionare with his corn crop, that way he can buy Gina more thongs. :mrgreen:

Now there is something that cant be debated. ASH, I buy E-85 and I will one run it in my boat. Would that qualify me for a special thong pic of that farm girl?? If you don't wish to share it with the gasoline lovers just e-mail it...[smilie=crazy]

Jeff

[Brandon]

My guess is gonna be $4.39 for memorial day weekend at LOTO. They just bumped the price around KC from $3.46 up to $3.54 over last night. And I bet it will be up another .20 - .30 cents within a month. Then you figure in the .40 - .50 cents higher at a marina.

Now for the E85 fuel, I know nothing about this stuff but what are the chenges that have to be made to run this? For example running it in my boat with 1989 stock 330 hp carbed 454's??? Anywhere close to Perry that sells it?

With these prices I'm gonna be guessing 1 tank of fuel may last me the whole summer, atleast the majority of it. Probably tied up in party cove, beer is cheaper than gas now.

[Scarab Babe]

There are several stations in Topeka that sell E-85. The station in Wal Mart's parking lot on Wanamaker. A station at 29th & Gage. I believe the BP at 29th & Topeka. A few more that I can't think of off the top of my head.

I think this wonderful "rebate check" we're getting back from the government should go towards having your vehicle(s) converted to accept E-85. It should be some sort of coupon that you can take to a qualified mechanic to convert your vehicle to E-85. $600 probably wouldn't pay for the whole bill, but it would take a huge bite out of it.

If they want to restore the economy, that's one way to start helping. Instead, people are going to use these checks to buy TV's, computers, gas in their cars, etc... Which means all this money will eventually get back to another country.

Me? I'm gonna buy beer. And lots of it!! :mrgreen:

[bustag]

Now there is something that cant be debated. ASH, I buy E-85 and I will one run it in my boat. Would that qualify me for a special thong pic of that farm girl?? If you don't wish to share it with the gasoline lovers just e-mail it...[smilie=crazy]

Jeff

Hey come on now Buddy, It was my idea to make ASH a gozillionare. cant I get a piece of the action too???? :mrgreen:

[Nuke32Fever]

As far as the E-85, it would have to be quite a bit cheaper to save you money. My wife's Tahoe can run either and I'll buy the E-85 if it's at least $.50 gal less since the mileage drops from 15 to 12.

[fgsacts]

Regular unleaded is already $3.75/gal in the Chicago suburbs. It typically runs $.50 - $.75/gal higher on the water. It will surely be over $4.00/gal this summer. The answer is to start drilling in Alaska and the Gulf. OPEC will lower their price when they see we are going to start drilling our own. The tree huggers are going to have to step out of the way or be beaten into submission.

[mosi]

Hey Youngsters.........everything you are saying was said years ago when, everyone who did not have a company car and a company gas card, all started buying cheap ass K-Cars.

People talked big ideas UNTIL the price of oil came down.

I hope the public is serious this time!!!;)


BTW------Corn might help the gasoline problem but that is also going to play hell with the price of meat, poultry, and corn liquor;)

[Reggie]

just another thought on the E 85. It's very cost prohibitive for gas station/c stores to put in E 85. Why you ask, same reason as in vehicals, are tanks will not hold the fuel, our lines, and pumps can not handle it. Too much alcohol for the way our system are set up. I know you don't believe it, but there is about zero margin in selling any fuel, it's a loss leader at best, so to put in new tanks and pumps, just doesn't make sense for exsiting stations. Now new ones, I would say they will be putting them in, or at least setting them up so they have the option.
Yes I'd rather pay the American farmer the money any day, over mister towely wowly. But as a farmer that helps feed the world, I can hardly afford to pay for feed to feed my turkeys. If Americans will pay 15 bucks for a Subway sandwhich, I'm in, but it's hard to burn our food in cars. something has to give one way or the other.[smilie=twocents.gi:

[w_redmann]

I would be a little bit happier if my vehicle was tuned to take advantage of E10 right now. As it is, I get almost 10% less mpg with the St Louis gas than the lake gas - for now. I think E10 may soon be everywhere in the state.

[w_redmann]

the price diff for E85 is now a better representation of the performance expectations. But, just last fall it was 2.30 for the E85 and 2.80 for gas.

[bsloop]

I am all for the ethanol. Just be sure the total cost to bring it from field to pump is really a benifit. Cut the farm subsidites and tax credits. If it stands on its own, move forward. Reality.....IT CAN'T

Ethanol is not taxed as a road fuel. That is the major reason it is cheaper. The tax is reduced by the amout of ethanol present. 85% of .43 / gallon is a big portion of the cost difference.


Lawrence has the referb Phillips 66 at 9th & Iowa.
E85, E15, Bio-Diesel, Off-Road Diesel and low sulfer Diesel. Pretty impressive.

[mosi]

It can be done.......I was just talking to a neighbor who is running a GMC 5500 Duramax Diesel. It's costing them $1.07/gal to feed it. They do smell like French Fries rolling down the highway.....but it's working. They have been brewing 600 gallon batches and with all the filtering and chemicals......$1.07/gal