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Marine Clean
02-02-2008, 07:00 PM
I guess it's about time to do a Q&A on wet sanding. Everything listed can be purchased from a local auto parts store. My products can be purchased at the MWBP store and the buffer from Harbor Freight.

This is a cross post that I copied/pasted from one of my earlier wetsanding threads. I do more Gel coat work and the last two paragraphs are from a buddy that does a lot of clear.

I encourage feedback and experiences from everyone. I know we've tried it many different ways, but this is the most basic way we've found to wetsand. I do all of my wetsanding by hand only and then use a variable speed buffer for the rest. I use a wool pad and one of my flexible backing plates. After I finish wetsanding and it's time for buffing; I start with the buffer on about 1200 for the first go around then I come back and hit it at about 2800.

We have to remember that each boat is a different situation and each will have different results.

I will give some examples of what you need to do the job.

You need 2000, 1500, 1200, 1000 and maybe 600-800 if it is that bad.
You need a sanding block/pad
You need Leverage Oxidation Remover or 3M Buffing Compound
You need a small bucket for water
You need a buffer with a wool pad
You need a mild wash solution
You need some clean Terry cloth towels

I would do a small area before you start to tackle the whole boat.

Make sure the surface is clean. Mix some dish soap and water in the bucket. Start with the wet(dip it in the soapy water)1500 on the block/pad. You don't need to apply a lot of pressure, let the paper do its job. Go in the same direction with maybe 10-15 strokes keeping the paper wet(you will see it removing the oxidation immediately) then wash the surface off. Then you can take a towel and dry the surface. From there you need to buff that area with my Oxidation Remover or 3M Buffing Compound. Then follow up the next day or two with Leverage Polish, Cleaner & UV Protectant.

I always start with a less abrasive grit. The 1500 is mild and is least likely for any mistakes. I would do that small area and see if you get the results with the 1500. If the paint is still faded then move down to 1200 and then 1000 if needed. After I finish with buffing I always wait until the next day or two before I apply my polish. I like to come back, look over my work and make sure I'm satisfied with my work before polishing.

I know this is somewhat of a quick list that might not address all of the questions, so ask away.

Donnie

BTW, My oxidation remover will also remove light scratches and 1000 grit sand marks

Good advice. I would add that I follow up the 1500 grit with 2000 on the gelcoat surface, and 2000 followed with 2500 on the painted / clear coated surfaces. Then polish with 3M Finesse It Microfine followed with a wax of one's choice. The additional sanding gives you a deeper shine in my opinion. On my boat you can hardly tell where the clear coat on the paint stops and the gel starts, normally cleared paint has far more depth than the gel.

Also if your are attempting to true up the gel surface / get rid of the inherent unevenness, you will have better luck if you cross block the surface with the corser grit then in line sand with the finer grits. Sounds like a ton of work but the results are worth the extra effort, and more sanding with finer grits simply means less time spent buffing.

Marine Clean
02-02-2008, 07:04 PM
Here's the buffers I use. The employees abuse them and they keep going like the energizer bunny. :mrgreen:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90820

who knows
02-02-2008, 07:36 PM
i wish you would have started this thread last feb. I spent the whole month wet sanding my 29 then buffing it back.. Look great now.

MM

Marine Clean
02-02-2008, 07:50 PM
i wish you would have started this thread last feb. I spent the whole month wet sanding my 29 then buffing it back.. Look great now.

MM

Sorry MM

I didn't want to cause any waves by posting in this section previously, but I'm here now to help, so let me know if you need anything.

Did you get any pictures of your before/after?

Donnie

twanger
02-03-2008, 02:10 PM
Thanks Donnie

266ltd
02-05-2008, 10:56 PM
i did an entire 266ltd made it look better than show room when i was finished, every time you think you are done buffing go ahead and buff some more, and keep the paper wet, it will help keep the oxi/gunk out of the paper and it will do a better job. you can also never start w/ to fine of paper, if it isnt progressing like you would like then you can step it up, but you can never go back after you remove it!

twanger
02-06-2008, 09:02 AM
I just ordered some meguiars wet sanding grits 1000 to 2000. I also replenished my leverage inventory. Wish me luck.

36Tango
02-06-2008, 09:28 AM
I need to get around to doing this also. I need to peel the stickers and sand and buff the whole thing. I don't really look forward to it at all.

36Tango
02-06-2008, 09:40 AM
That being said, you make it sound pretty painless.

266ltd
02-06-2008, 01:45 PM
pain less ? you will build some arm strength,lol. and it does require a bit of time, mine took me about 20 hours, but i did the entire boat, and reinstalled pin striping .

bustag
02-10-2008, 02:43 PM
Can you use a DA or is it best by hand for the wet sanding?

( I know I'm leaving this one wide open :roll: :mrgreen: )

who knows
02-10-2008, 04:46 PM
I would recommend hand. Seem like a DA could get away from you very fast. Good clean paper with the soapy water cuts much better than you sould think.

twanger
02-10-2008, 05:10 PM
[smilie=hah] You made me laugh out loud Bustag. I wont discuss my preference, but I'm going to start by hand.

Hell Ya!
02-10-2008, 06:04 PM
Can you use a DA or is it best by hand for the wet sanding?

( I know I'm leaving this one wide open :roll: :mrgreen: )


:mrgreen: :mrgreen: Why? do you have an air compressor in the trunk of the Stinger??[smilie=crazy]

Marine Clean
02-10-2008, 08:05 PM
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: Why? do you have an air compressor in the trunk of the Stinger??[smilie=crazy]

LOL

Yes, it's better to rub one out by hand.....:oops:

bustag
02-10-2008, 09:43 PM
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: Why? do you have an air compressor in the trunk of the Stinger??[smilie=crazy]

Good idea Jeff!

I could run hard lines up to the anchor locker so I could keep the amt of hose to carry down to 50 ft or so.

Thanks pal [smilie=042.gif]

Hell Ya!
02-11-2008, 08:59 AM
Good idea Jeff!

I could run hard lines up to the anchor locker so I could keep the amt of hose to carry down to 50 ft or so.

Thanks pal [smilie=042.gif]

Hey, I haven't ragged on ya for a while..:mrgreen: I didn't want you to think I was pizzed or sumfen...:mrgreen:

PS, make sure you use stainless for the lines. Not that light weight plastic stuff.:)

bustag
02-11-2008, 09:01 AM
Hey, I haven't ragged on ya for a while..:mrgreen: I didn't want you to think I was pizzed or sumfen...:mrgreen:

PS, make sure you use stainless for the lines. Not that light weight plastic stuff.:)


Gotcha ;)

Brandon
03-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Can you use a DA or is it best by hand for the wet sanding?

( I know I'm leaving this one wide open :roll: :mrgreen: )
I prefer using a DA if I'm doing a whole boat or a large area at that. Although a box of 80-100 sheets of wetsanding paper for the DA will run you about $70-80. If you go this route make sure to keep the DA flat and don't run it on the edge. I use a spray bottle when either using a DA or by hand with about 3-4 drops of liquid dish soap in it. I had a Water Bug wet DA that had a line that you ran into a bucket of water and that thing worked awesome but when we closed down the old Kelly's Port in Gravois apparantly some one elso liked it more and ran off with it[smilie=101.gif] I just use a regular DA now and it works fine too. Either way, make sure to use 3M paper too.

mosi
03-09-2008, 07:51 AM
LOL

Yes, it's better to rub one out by hand.....:oops:




Yea....but then I'm too tired to work on the boat:(